Watch Value

 

Which Watch Brands Are Most Likely to Increase in Value? In this recent article - 28 July, 2015 - by Robert-Jan Broer, he lists numerous watches that he feels would be good investments; VC is not listed. I find this a little annoying and even slightly disturbing. The reason I bought my VC OS had nothing to do with it being an investment and I am sure that we, as VC owners, have more altruistic reasons than investing for owning the watches. However, I do wonder at such an article. Can anyone comment on this? Dave

 

 

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JB
08/04/2015 - 15:15
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JB
08/06/2015 - 01:49
Thanks for this post. This point has been discussed a few times before here
08/03/2015 - 09:21

and on other forums.

Unfortunately many so called 'watch journalists' and 'experts' claim to know more about this subject than they actually do. They have a mental block towards Patek and a few others being the finest watches and finest investment grade watches and it is very hard to 'shake' these people. 

Recently, on one of the numerous watch groups on FB, one or two guys commented that the Caliber 3300 of the new Harmony was just a sort of 'remake' of the Lemania. Basically, without knowing anything, they come up with these conclusions.

The sad thing is that many of these 'experts' have such a mental block about PP being the VERY BEST that nothing any other brand does is ever good enough. Its not enough that most likely the likes of VC, Lange, and independents are indeed much better, and also becoming good investments as these brands become consistent with marketing and published materials; its just that their mindset refuses to accept this.

This is probably true of the author of the article you read.

 

Re: Watch Value
08/03/2015 - 11:12

Hi,

I can only underline what kk has said.

In addition I also believe that time will prove that the beauty and understatement of VC OS and the Harmony.

best regards 

Sven

Re: Re: Watch Value
08/03/2015 - 12:52

Thank you, all, for your comments. 

I agree that the understated beauty, craftmanship, and thoughtful design of the VC will stand the test of time.

I found the article a bit closed-minded. To add to the 'hot water' comment, it is a bit like Sagan's answer to the question, "Will we ever live in outer space?" His answer, "We do live in outer space." Apparently, many at the press conference didn't understand this concept.

VC owners would.

Dave

I found the article
08/03/2015 - 12:12
quite honest, kind of the discovery of hot water, nothing really new, sort of an "average thinking" digest. Probably the author simply forgot to mention VC as he took just few brands as pure examples. I think the author was thinking of short term speculation, which is the most discreditable to my opinion. Personally I don't care about the market as my only concern is quality. I give a value to each watch on my own, despite what the market says. I do also agree with kk (even if calibre 3300 do really resemble the Lemania 2320 but I don't find it outrageous, rather an excellent enhancement) but I think it wasn't author's intention to comment current collectors' commonest responsivenesses. That said, I'm afraid most of us do know what occured in the last 10-15 to auctions and the techiques adopted to put some brands on the sky ramp launch but this has nothing to do with quality and the instrinsical value of the objects. Finally, often the expertise of journalists, bloggers, etc. is not enough, simply.  I've lately read an article in one of the most famous watch-blogs, reporting the auction for the Vacheron 222 we've recently discussed here as well; the watch was declared 100% good, while the originality of its dial, should deserve deeper examinations.    
I like it!
08/03/2015 - 18:49

If the hoi polloi miss out on recognizing the value and beauty of Vacheron et Constantin or, more to the truth, having the brand pointed out to them by paid palaverists, all the better for us to collect, discuss and enjoy without being distracted by the nattering nabobs of  investing.angel

What I like is...
08/03/2015 - 20:40

That here, in ONE SINGLE SENTENCE, we have all of the following words correctly used: hoi polloi, palaverist, nattering, and nabob.  A rare feat, executed with aplomb.  

Or, as I once heard said about the ironic use of puns: It is a rare medium, well-done.

Re: What I like is...
08/03/2015 - 20:59

I am surprised no one commented on "watch value's" double entendre...

Re: Watch Value
08/04/2015 - 15:15

I'm not sure I read the same article but the thrust was not about specific brands but rather specific watches and why one might increase in value rather than another from the same manufacturer, including Patek.

There are many reasons that a particular watch will increase in value, association with a celebrity, rarity, uniqueness, an artificially generated demand thanks to marketing, etc.

The author deals largely with middle of the road brands and never expresses any great admiration for patek other than to say that some of their watches accumulate in value. But he also mentions SPECIFIC watches from AP, Zenith and Zinn, hardly very high end manufactures.

As for Pateks increasing in value generally...they do so more because they are considered a commodity first and a watch second. many are auctioned new, never worn, still wrapped in plastic. But it is a "greater fool" situation. The same with Rolexes. Their prices in the after marketed are artificially elevated because of hype and nothing to do with esthetics. To some degree Rolex realized this a few years ago and started making in-house movements.

You might ask foversta or amanico, or Paul Butros, all of whom have extensive experience in covering the watch market. Or ask John Lydon or Robert Marron, who buy and sell watches, why PP's increase in value.

There are in fact some Vacherons that have increased significantly. The ones with the enamel painted dials and backs, for example.

But this article is only a "for example" one and should certainly not be taken as exhaustive.

I won't belabour thhe point except to mention another article.

And this same author in a short review of VC's World Time watch also said:

"One of the most prestigious watch manufacturers from Switzerland is Vacheron Constantin. This 256-year-old manufacturer should be considered a direct competitor to that other high-end maison d'horlogerie from Geneva, Patek Philippe."

and,

"Just like the watches from that other manufacturer from Geneva, a Vacheron Constantin will never go out of style."

Enough said!

Well said JB! (nt)
08/05/2015 - 17:01
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08/05/2015 - 17:48

To quote the author; "Enough said!"

Re: Re: Watch Value
08/05/2015 - 20:07

Thank you for your extensive knowledge. I continue to learn a lot in the lounge and I appreciate the helpful information.

I was told that VC OS's are for wearing, not for putting in a vault. ;-)

I think this short quotation suits watches as well as ships:

“A ship in harbour is safe. But that is not what ships are built for.”  Admiral Grace Hopper

Dave

Re: Re: Re: Watch Value
08/06/2015 - 01:49

Admiral Hopper was a real genius and a remarkable person. One of the early pioneers of computer science. I have admired her since I came across her name and her work in college many decades ago.

Best,

JB