As the weekend is appraching...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

As the weekend is upon us, I thought a caveat from a V&C certificate of origin would be nice. Those of you who have handled one know that the back part of the certificate includes some Timekeeping Tips. Most of them are pretty practical and standard. The last paragraph, however, is more poetic, and reads as follows:

"Even the sturdiest watch is influenced in its performance by the temperament and way of life of its owner. Abrupt gestures, for instance, have a deffinite effect on the action of the watch. Thus, if your watch gains or loses, consult your watchmaker. He will then adjust it to your particular temperament and way of life".

So, if possible, no abrupt gestures. If they can't be helped - put on a Rolex...

Have a good weekend.
LOL the "temperamen of life" I have a gift for you Hour Glass a
11/13/2009 - 16:19
VC Hour Glass from the 50s
Re: LOL the "temperamen of life" I have a gift for you Hour Glass a
11/13/2009 - 16:57
Now, isn't that an exceptional piece? Good thing you have my address...;)
Re: As the weekend is appraching...
11/13/2009 - 16:31
Abrupt gestures... Does that including raising a middle finger when seeing a Patek?? JB
ROTFLMAO !!!!! (nt)
11/13/2009 - 16:39
Re: Re: As the weekend is appraching...
11/13/2009 - 16:59
You can rest assured that when the Patek wearer sees you, his gesture will cause his timepiece greater damage...
Tough one, Joseph ;-))) (nt)
11/14/2009 - 18:26
Ooopps!!! I guess I've been wearing my VC all wrong....
11/13/2009 - 16:36
Waving my arms & gesturing wildly is my style of communication.    Guess I better go see an AD real soon for an adjustment.....on my watch, not my temperament.  Great post! Nicholas 
Sign of the Times...
11/13/2009 - 19:53
Very humorous today, but appropriate information when first printed .  Of course we take automatic movements for granted, but at the time they were new and unusual.  Technology has a way of becoming mainstream, then taken for granted...when automobiles were first introduced to public roads, a typical traffic rule was to have a flagman proceed ahead on foot to warn oncoming horses . But I like the idea of adopting "abrupt gestures" in the presence of Patek, et al.  Maybe a two-fingered backwards V (for Vacheron, of course) that was considered obscene during WWII and might be appropriately obscure today (not sure if this gesture is still in use anywhere??) so only those "in the know" would understand .
Re: Sign of the Times...
11/14/2009 - 01:56
Well put regarding the acceptance of technology. I liked the certificate's wording, as you don't find things written so simply and boldly today. Regarding the Vacheron secret-salute: perhaps the traditional Churchill-esque will have to do, unless we wan't to risk offending VC lovers in different parts of the world (notably Australia, if I'm not mistaken - the backwards V is considered very offensive there...).
Re: Re: Sign of the Times...
11/14/2009 - 04:25
Its still used in its original intent (a message from Churchill to the Nazis) in the UK too. JB
Re: As the weekend is appraching...
11/14/2009 - 15:11
I am almost certain that the original use of the 'V' was between the English and the French (we have a long love/hate relationship - all patched up now of course!). In the days of archery, prisoners would have the first 2 fingers of their right hand removed, so they could pull the bow string back anymore. Thus, those with fingers still attached would taunt those without by 'V-ing' at their digitally challenged opponents... This is either romantic clap-trap, or has some basis in truth. Perhaps we should have a True or False Poll?
Here's another version...
11/14/2009 - 18:31
from the book Winston Churchill:personal accounts of the great leader at war by Michael Paterson:Churchill's other personal signature was his two-fingered 'V-for-victory' salute.  Though this was not unknown before World War II, it originated in German-occupied Europe in 1940.  The letter V, surreptitiously painted on walls, became a symbol of resistance and of belief in the ultimate defeat of Hitler.  To the French it stood for victoire, to the Dutch or Walloons it meant vrijheid (freedom).  Once adopted by the English-speaking world, it gained wide currency.  Churchill used it as a gesture with such regularity that it became inseperable from his public image, notwithstanding that, if made with the back of the hand instead of the palm, it was identifcal to an older English gesture of unambiguous rudeness.  He cheerfully used both forms of the salute, which was often returned in kind. The V-sign so irritated the Nazis that they attempted to hi-jack it.  Claiming that it could be an abbreviation of Viktoria, an archaic German word for victory long since replaced in their language by the more concise Sieg, they hoised a giant V on to the Eiffel Tower in Paris, where it remained for a short time before widespread derision caused them to remove it.I think your legend about archery his more interesting  .
A point to consider
11/14/2009 - 19:10
This is just one of the things which makes this place special. A quote from an old certficate of origin leads to a discussion on the origins of "V"... Bet they don't have that over at Patek...There's only so much you can do with a "P", you know... ;)
Re: A point to consider
11/15/2009 - 18:49
Oh god, no pee jokes .
Re: Re: A point to consider
11/15/2009 - 23:07
Hmmm, I always wondered whether their initials (PP) had any other significance! Thanks for clarifying, Dean (LOL)
Re: Re: A point to consider
11/15/2009 - 23:07
Hmmm, I always wondered whether their initials (PP) had any other significance! Thanks for clarifying, Dean (LOL)
good one :-) (nt)
11/16/2009 - 09:42
11/16/2009 - 00:00
Let's try and keep things civil. At least try. We're all from the same valley, aren't we? ;)
From wikipedia...
11/18/2009 - 02:13
"An early recorded use of the 'two-fingered salute' is in the Macclesfield Psalter of c.1330 (in the Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge), being made by a glove in the psalter’s marginalia. According to a popular legend the two-fingers salute and/or V sign derives from the gestures of longbowmen fighting in the English army at the Battle of Agincourt (1415) during the Hundred Years' War. The story claims that the French threatened to cut off the arrow-shooting fingers of all the English and Welsh longbowmen after they had won the battle at Agincourt. But the longbowmen came out victorious and showed off their two fingers, still intact. Historian Juliet Barker quotes Jean Le Fevre (who fought on the English side at Agincourt) as saying that Henry V included a reference to the French cutting off longbowmen's fingers in his pre-battle speech. The first definitive known reference to the ‘V-sign’ in French is in the works of François Rabelais, a sixteenth-century satirist. It was not until the start of the 20th century that clear evidence of the use of insulting V sign in England became available, when in 1901 a worker outside Parkgate ironworks in Rotherham used the gesture, (captured on the film), to indicate he did not like being filmed. Peter Opie interviewed children in the 1950s and observed in The Lore And Language Of Schoolchildren that the much older thumbing of the nose (cock-a-snook) had been replaced by the V-sign as the most common insulting gesture used in the playground." And yes, in the UK it is still a very insulting gesture! Cheers, Francois