What about 1972 Asymmetrical?

After reading about and looking at the VC 1972, I have some questions about the 1972 Asymmetrical--not the Prestige. (Excellent discussion about the 1972s, and the Prestige is quite beautifu by the way.)

What about 1972 Asymmetrical?

The above are the two examples I am considering.  Here are my queries:

  1. The crown seems to recede more on this model than on some of the others pictured. (One of the crowns pictured on this discussion board shows what appears to be a "cap" on the crown, with what looks a lot like the crowns on Cartier's Tank models.) Since the one I'm considering is a mechanical, this one looks difficult to wind.
  2. Does anyone know the period that the 1972 Asymmetrical was produced? (Was it the only men's model before the 1972 Prestige?) What's the main difference between the Asymmetrical and the Prestige?
  3. Is this also from the Paris design that Alex mentioned in the discussion of the 1972?
  4. Gold and gold lug springs. One of the reasons I've shied away from 18K gold cases is the requirement for gold lug springs. When I replaced the band on my Calatrava with a Patek Philippe band and buckle, I was told that the jeweler had replaced the gold lug springs with stainless steel ones, and eventually the steel ones with destroy the gold case. (Based on the fact that steel is harder than gold...) First of all, is that true? Gold case requires gold lug springs and stainless steel ones will wreck the case? Second, on this particular watch, how will I be able to tell if the lug springs are steel/gold short of taking off the band? (I have the Patek gold lug springs on order--not taking any chances.)
  5. Anything else about this watch I should know?

One of the things I learned from art collectors and the meager collection we have, is to get art you like. Some people buy art for the investment value, and I know some watch lovers are acutely aware of the "appreciation value" of a watch. I'm not. I like the 1912, and looking for one I "discovered" the 1972. I had dismissed the 1972 as a woman's watch, but I really had not looked at the men's version. I doubt either the 1912 or 1972 is an especially saavvy investment financially, but if I had any frugal financial sense, I probably wouldn't be buying these watches...a foolish and delightful facination.

 

 
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JB
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JB
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Addressing Q2
02/19/2016 - 00:53

Only addressing Q2

The watch you posted is an odd duck, in terms of nomenclature.  Ref. 37010 is from the 1990s and was actually called MCMLXXII which translates as 1972 and really, who wants to say ehm-see-ehm-elle-ex-ex-aye-aye? indecision   This causes confusion with the original 1972 Prestige de la France.  The MCMLXXII came in a nifty burgundy case that has appeared on fleabay usually misdescribed as vintage.

Only addressing Q2

I believe VC intended to pay homage to the original 1972 but significantly changed the name and even the shape.  Notice how its a mirror image of the Prestige de la France, also having different proportions.  The movement is the manual cal. 1055, an F. Piguet ebauche.

Only addressing Q2

Different deployant buckles?
02/19/2016 - 01:50

Thanks Tick-Talk,

Do you, by any chance, have a picture of the buckle on the back? I found two different kinds, and I'm wondering if they're both legit, or, one is and one isn't, or neither is correct. 

Different buckles on deployant-type leather bands

 

 Both are deployant, but with different buckle shapes. They both seem to be by VC. Is one a replacement and the other original?

Re: Different deployant buckles?
02/19/2016 - 02:52

FWIW, Just a thought Bill,

Most of the images I've seen of this watch have the buckle on the right. I think this was the original design.

The one on the left likely came out a bit later. It looks simpler, has less metal and was likely easier and cheaper to manufacture.

The folding parts looks pretty much the same in both designs.

JB

Different buckles
02/19/2016 - 12:12

Thanks JB,

In looking at the pictures on this discussion site, I found one such buckle here. In another I found a dual time 1972 with a wholly diffeent buckle pictured below. So the buckle pictured on the left 1972 may be an original, just from a different group than the one on the right. Thanks again JB!

Different buckles

Re: Different buckles
02/19/2016 - 16:03

That's quite a lovely buckle. Could be enamel and gold or even onyx and gold; probably quite rare though.

As for which buckle came first, only VC know for sure laugh

But I do find it difficult to understand that the buckle on the right came after the one on the left. One just has to look at the boxes VC provides now, even for their expensive watches, compared to the wooden boxes of a few years ago to see that less usually comes after more. (Unless it's a custom design)

JB

Another thought on naming the MCMLXXII
02/19/2016 - 16:41

I wonder if the MCMLXXII was an early example of Chinese marketing?  Would the XXII be considered as "happiness" under Chinese numerology?  

Re buckles, as there was 20 years passing from the original 1972 and this model, I suppose we should expect different styles but it is a fascinating area with a great deal of variety.

another 1972 buckle
02/19/2016 - 16:27

for woman model (special order)

another 1972 buckleanother 1972 buckle

cheers,

Liger

That is amazing!
02/19/2016 - 16:43

yesheart

Re: That is amazing!
02/19/2016 - 17:15

Wouldn't that make a great gift for your wife, Dean!!

The dial is lapis.

That is definitely a watch that makes a statement!! cheeky

Crowns and Buckles
02/19/2016 - 18:24

In addition to having a number of different buckles, (and there are even different ones for men's and women's 1972s), the crowns can be different. On that incredible buckle that Liger showed us, it also has the "turban" crown. On the dual time one I showed earlier, the crowns on the dual stand up, but on the one I am looking at the crown is deeper in the casing and seems to be best accesssed on the side. (Tick Talk's pictures showed off that timer quite well.)

Does anyone have experience with the recessed crown? I would plan on winding it daily and not want to grind off the tips of my fingers!

Thanks again everyone, and if any of you has (or has had) a mechnical wind 1972, I very much like to hear of your experience.