For over 20 years I was a member of an order, but since some years I have quit.

It's quite unusual that people quit that order society, but I'm not a average human personWHATCH (!) OUT , DOC'S GOT AN IDEA :-)

The reason was that I did not have time to attend the meetings, as before,

and then it fell for me.

I'm as you noticed, more attending this "order", and it's a lot funnier, since it concerns my passion,

and you all are very nice and polited persons, with lots of humor WHATCH (!) OUT , DOC'S GOT AN IDEA :-)

BTW in my job I meet so many people a day, that when I come home,

I prefer talking with the dogs!

When you are member of one of the wellknown orders, you have an order ring,

mostly on your right middle finger, and that ring was one of the nice things with this community.

When you travelled around the world, you suddenly happened to see, that the one sitting beside you in the aeroplane,

was wearing a ring from the order, and it's a door opener, believe me !

It could also be at business meeting, dinner or whatever.

The idea my dear fellow Loungers, is that perhaps we should let rings be made, with perhaps some small

Malteser Crosses around.

Very discreet but still easy to identifyWHATCH (!) OUT , DOC'S GOT AN IDEA :-)

You know how hard it is to see the watch on peoples wrists, but this ring would be very, very exclusive and rare !

Just an idea, from doc WHATCH (!) OUT , DOC'S GOT AN IDEA :-)

Start designing, gentlemen and of course ladies, if there is any interest WHATCH (!) OUT , DOC'S GOT AN IDEA :-)


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02/26/2008 - 22:49
I like the idea Doc!
02/22/2008 - 01:16

Did you have something like this in mind?

Yes !!
02/22/2008 - 01:50

It's very good start, you been reading my mind

Basic is that it should not be any "flashy" ring, or like, excuse me, an American school ring,

just an elegant low profile ring, typical to Vacheron&Constantin's understatement philosophy !

Perhaps the magic year 1755 should be part of it...

The Masonic Order started 1813 (!), yes I know, it has a long obscure history,

but 1813 is the start of todays Order.

Odd Fellows goes back to 1819.

So they are 38 respective 44 years younger than Vacheron&Constantin,

which of course would date "The Hour Lounge Order" back to 1755

Yes, you recognize the way other watch brands are making their roots

Lev väl


Masonic order
02/22/2008 - 03:16


Perhaps the Masonic Order began in Scandinavia in 1813, but its history is much older than that. Its origin goes back at least 100 years before that in  the United Kindom. Even in the newly created United States, the Masonic order originated on a nationwide level just aftter the Revolution with George Washington as the first Grand Master. Local orders were earlier than that.

Even in Germany/Austria it predates 1800 since Mozart's Die Zauberflaute is based on Masonic ideas and ideals.

Now having said that some people might find a ring with the Maltese Cross as a decoration as an item they would not wear for religious reasons.

I just point these things out, not to burst any bubbles, but to illustrate that sometimes things are a little more complicated than at first glance.

But the idea of a ring or perhaps cuff-links or lapel pin or some item of jewelery is a very good one.

Start your CAD/CAM engines!



Re: Masonic order
02/22/2008 - 12:14

Hi Joseph,

I just got the dates from an article in a encyclopedia,

which says that the modern Masonic Order goes bac to

"until they united 25 November 1813 to form the United Grand Lodge of England ",

but that's not the point

It was more for the fun I mentioned it as a kick to other "old"

watch brands !


Re: I like the idea Doc!
02/22/2008 - 11:35

Where can I find this ring???

Whatever, I'm with DOC!

That's something straight out of the DaVinci Code :-) I
02/22/2008 - 11:48

like the look but not a fan of rings in general (don't even wear my wedding band)!!

I like the idea of cuff links or lapels

Re: That's something straight out of the DaVinci Code :-) I
02/22/2008 - 17:25


I love the "member since 1755"

I love the idea too Doc! :)

Same ring but in WG
02/22/2008 - 14:48

I like this better

Prefer the YG or RG :-)
02/22/2008 - 17:09

I still think you are well on your way.

This not so far from an order ring,

if we work on it and perhaps have 1755,

I think it's quite close !

On my ring there were enamel as well, but it cracks very fast,

and is only beautiful when it's new and unworn.

Here are the Freemasonry ring

and the Odd Fellow ring.

I think the Odd Fellow is more discreet and it's more traditional in its design.


02/22/2008 - 06:08

After thinking about it a bit, here's my suggestion...only a suggestion.

I personally like the idea of cuff-links and I like the tonneau shape. I saw these in the window of the Geneva Boutique. They are either WG or PT with baguette diamonds all the way around.

How about those??.

Just kidding!

But the shape and 2 tone appearance is very pleasing. They could be made of silver or vermeil or rhodium plating over silver to keep the costs down.

As far as the logo is concerned. Take your pick

This page is page 78 from "The Secrets of Vacheron Constantin by Franco Cologni. Similar pages can be found in The Art of Vacheron Constantin (Antiquorum 1994).



02/22/2008 - 16:53

HI Joseph, I can't believe you got to the "buttons" before Doc.

How about another scan of Doc's VC links? IMHO they would be perfect!

Let's face it, if Vacheron reproduced them we would come. Best, Miki

02/22/2008 - 09:55

Since I don't wear rings other than my wedding ring I agree with Joseph that cuff-links woud be better. Perhaps you could post some pictures of your set. You know which one. By the way does the Mercator reminds you of something? The Maltese cross? Is it a coincidence? Your brother George.

Still hanging on the ring !
02/22/2008 - 12:21

An order ring in gold don't weight more than 10-12 grams,

so it wouldn't be so exspensive, if VC could make them.

Cuff links, of course, I would buy them too,

but on the other hand, how often do you wear cufflinks?

I do it quite often, probably more than most of you,

Since I'm older than most of you, and probably wear suit more often,

but still perhaps, only once a week

The meaning isn't that you should wear the ring every day, if you don't want to,

but when travelling, at special occasions etc

I think anyway that cufflinks would be more exspensive, if made in gold


I know what Doc's looking for... ;)
02/22/2008 - 13:31

Dear friends

Have been off the forum (and life for that matter) due hectic period of work...but I have been trying to follow the interesting discussions that is always ongoing in here...and today I was working from home (a sick 8 year old), so I thought I spend some minutes to see whether I can "produce" what Doc is looking for.

Kindest Reagards



vad säger du, Doc? Är jag nära? :)

Re: I know what Doc's looking for... ;)
02/22/2008 - 13:48

Lovely design, Xerxes!


It's a nice one, but
02/22/2008 - 14:32

I think something like our friend 1907's is more what I had in mind,

it's more discreet, I think ,

this is a little to "flashy" for me !


good to have you back :-) (nt)
02/23/2008 - 18:21


My dad is a Mason. Are you a brother Mason too Doc?
02/22/2008 - 15:10


Thats a good idea. Maybe we can tell VC to design one!
02/22/2008 - 15:13


02/22/2008 - 17:36

Just like Coptic Christians have one on the inside of the wrist, we could duplicate this very old tradition...

OK. Now my serious opinion: what about an ankle bracelet?
02/22/2008 - 17:47

OK. I stop.

02/22/2008 - 19:30

mmm...my family will kick out me!

Nose ring next ?
02/22/2008 - 18:08

My God,

This is something you are intested in

Why not a ring for me, who would like to have one,

since during the 20 years I wore one, have some very intersting meetings,

and I also could think of buttons, of course

You all got imagination, even more than I suspected,

but nosering, ankle bracelets, tatoos and earrings (for men) are out of order

I think the easiest to produce would be a ring, and I'm sure that VC would help us.

I like the M alteser Cross, but I would like it standing out like on this crown,

instead of engraved !


Or on this, mmmmmm


I have been thinking seriously about it: what about a fountain pen?
02/22/2008 - 18:30

Doc, I really like the idea. I used to wear a ring too, but not anymore. Unfortunately, I don't see myself wearing two rings (wedding band + VC ring)...

I was just thinking about a fountain pen with a maltese cross on the cap (a bit like the Montblanc pens). This I found quite visible. And the pen would be something used almost everyday too.

Doc, what do you think about a nice fountain pen?

The cufflinks idea is good, but I hardly ever wear cuff shirts.

I don't think we could get a concensus anyway, unless Alex steps in and makes a decision for us all

Other decent ideas I had were: keyring or briefcase. Not quite the same though.

PS: Doc, sorry for going wild with the stupid ideas before Doc, this is Friday morning and I am not a morning person

It already exists. Its made for VC by Montblanc and has a silver
02/22/2008 - 18:46

cap. The body is black lacquer with tiny Maltese Crosses engraved on it.

I'll see if I can find a photo.

Re: It already exists. Its made for VC by Montblanc and has a silver
02/22/2008 - 19:29

never seen! I'm realy curious!

Re: I have been thinking seriously about it: what about a fountain pen
02/22/2008 - 19:37

A fountain pen is not so visible.

I think a ring remain the best choice.

To come greet persons who have some doubt about VC ring + wedding ring, what do you think of a ring for little finger?

Something like this?
02/22/2008 - 20:08

For little finger. With the malte Cross on the face, naturaly!

What do you thing of rose gold?

I like it in white gold (nt)
02/23/2008 - 13:46


I like this ring idea very much in wg. The cross can be>>>
02/24/2008 - 02:32

tasteful and it would be very recognizable to other Loungers. When do we vote?

Best, Tim

What about cars, boats etc
02/22/2008 - 19:35

Keep your imagination down to the ring or/and buttons,

please gentlemen,

otherwise it'l be nothing


My proposal for the ring:
02/22/2008 - 22:25

But instead of the two "C" (stand for Cartier), we could replace that each "C" by an half of Maltese cross.

In my mind, it's discret but revelant... and why not engrave "V&C" on the ring.

How about a VC cross set in a tourbillon cage in a ring?
02/22/2008 - 22:49

I like Doc's idea about a ring.  It's an item one can wear everyday & it's always on display no matter what else you're wearing or whatever you're doing.


I think that the best sign of recognition for VC aficionados is
02/23/2008 - 18:20

actually a vacheron Constantin watch!

Is that a hint...
02/23/2008 - 19:10

that the HL watch is up on the table for discussion?

The HL watch is a big possibility but not right away (nt)
02/23/2008 - 19:41


Very good idea indeed ...
02/26/2008 - 22:49

I don't have any design to propose, except saying that 1907 is in the good way.

The ring should only by recognized by people knowning it. So big rings (chevalière) which could be seen from 10 meters has to be forgotten.

Some thing very discrete and class, as Patrimony collection is.

Re: Very good idea indeed ...
02/28/2008 - 22:59

I fully agree to choose a discrete model. Don't need to show off. It would be nice to get it in white gold ^^