What's missing in VC's offering?

Cisco (Francois) posted a really interestign statement, saying that VC missed in its offering a casual/formal watch.It got me thinking, what do I think is missing from VC's lineup, what would I really want VC to come out with?

For me, it would be an annual calendar in the Patrimony range, a mid-level complication that seems to be missing...
I'm posting the picture of this PP just for reference (picture "borrowed" from Mike Margolis")... that's a simple dial layout that I find very attractive, and would really like to see VC produce. It is very clean, and well balanced - how nice would it look with in the Patrimony style, and with the sculpted moonphase?What's missing in VC's offering?

What's missing in VC's offering?

I might be worng/maybe I haven't looked at the right places, but it seems that this layout has been used a lot by PP, and very little by VC. Most vintage VC watches that I see are triple date models instead of having this layout (by the way, IMO it would be better if the date was around the moonphase instead of in an aperture at the bottom), while every second super-expensive PP that goes on auction has a similar dial-layout. I've been wandering for a long time why hasn't produced a watch with such a layout - it is because that one is so associated to PP that it is almost considered PP's, and VC doesn't want to seem to be copying? 

Anyway, I digress... What in you view is missing from VC's offering?



mid level offerings. I personnaly love the dial lay out of the Patek
03/09/2010 - 12:50
you have posted. This dial layout is often associated with Patek because of the gorgeous perpetual calendars from the 50s onwards such as  the 2438 or 3448 followed by the perpetual calendar chronographs 2449, 3970, 5970... Patek in fact relaunched this dial layout in an annual calendar only a few years ago. VC also produced similar looking watches in the 40s (ref 4042) or from the Historiques collection of the 90s (which also existed without the moonphase)Annual Calendar Like you I would love to see an annual calendar eitheir like in the Photoshop below (coutresy of Fred) or with a linear date display day / date / month on the same level with appertures.World TimeNot really a complication I use but I like having it Something like this would be gorgous scan courtesy of AntiquorumA QDI Chronographa must have!Alternative Time DisplaysI would love to have a Jump Hour in the Patrimony Conntemporaine case and would LOVE to see the movement used in the Masks and the Tribute to the Great Explorers used with a non Metiers d'Art dial butrather a transparent dial making the watches both modern and more affordable.
I agree with both of you and...
03/09/2010 - 14:38
...and I think GP did a great job lately in launching its double date in gold or palladium with some VC DNA codes (in some ways) ! All the best to my fellow loungers, Berny
Hi Alex,
03/09/2010 - 17:03
I agree with your comments about the Historiques Calendar sans MP. I own one and I think the dial is one of the most elegant, graceful and well-proportioned I have ever seen. It would be a welcomed addition in any new VC line-up. Regards, Joseph
Re: mid level offerings. I personnaly love the dial lay out of the Patek
03/11/2010 - 02:37
Forward that photo shopped rose gold black dial annual calender to the design team!!!!!! I'll be in line for that one here is another annual calender version
Re: Re: mid level offerings. I personnaly love the dial lay out of the Patek
03/11/2010 - 02:49
an annual calendar and a non skeleton perpetual would be
03/09/2010 - 14:52
nice.  I would also like to see more chronometry oriented watches (maybe a specific Chronometre Royal lineup which the brand would use to test new techniques and materials). In the more high end segment I would like to see a simple flat minute repeater.
I'll join the chorus for an annual calendar...
03/09/2010 - 18:21
and I too like the layout as seen in the classic Patek Philippe calendar watches. I'd also like to see a regulator layout based on an in-house movement (without the tourbillon). I could see this working well in the Matle Tonneua or Patrimony collections. Finally, a more classically styled GMT watch, also on an in-house movement. I prefer the look and operation of the Rolex GMT Master-II style watches (and I think Ulysse Nardin has the most ingenious/best designed dual time complication on the market)
Another big vote for the Annual calendar. I tend to lean more toward
03/10/2010 - 00:07
the GP WW.TC for my favorite design, not Patek on this one. It will be welcome news to many of us when this one appears! Best, Tim
Re: What's missing in VC's offering?
03/09/2010 - 19:04
Thanks for the post Francois. Imho Patek and Lange have done really nice Annual Calendar, I won't go in the same direction. I always like to disagree even when I am wrong -A classical round watch, sport and classy could be nice. A kind of Thunderbird in Steel or Titanium. Lange doesn't make it, Patek has not really this kind of reference, besides their magnificent 5960p (but a chronograph annual calendar is not for every purse ). Patek has the 5296g and the new 6000 but it is still casual and they could have done ... "better" imho , and by Lange, nothing. I think there is something to "reinvent" there and be really above. -Then... the QDI chronograph everyone waits for this. I can not disagree on this one. -Worldtime... hmm  quite tricky. On this reference, I put Patek really high. Quite difficult to chalenge on this one. ... or Maybe a kind of GMT! ... Thinking while writing: that could be it: A sporty classical GMT ! Not as sporty as a Rolex, something with an amazing dial and a nice "lunette".
I'll pitch in on the expansion of VC line-up...
03/09/2010 - 20:27
just to say what I have offered here before. I would love to see a development of the QdI line - a world-timer as well as a chrono would do the trick for me...
Re: What's missing in VC's offering?
03/10/2010 - 23:57
anything under 10k
Re: What's missing in VC's offering?
03/11/2010 - 16:58
1. Ofcourse I agree with Alex about the world time. 2. The rebirth of the Mercator. 3. A Patrimony Traditionnelle chronograph in WG whith black dial and white subdials. 4. The evolution of Doc's Malte Dual Time Regulator in the patrimony contemporaine line. 5. An iphone application.