Why did indication of AUTOMATIC disappear?

Hi Alex.

Please imfo.

Why did indication of AUTOMATIC disappear?

Why did indication of AUTOMATIC disappear?

Thank you.

Re: Why did indication of AUTOMATIC disappear?
02/01/2008 - 05:14

Hello V. Piguet,

Although Alex should be in a better position to get the real story from VC, I would guess that it is simply a response to the clamor from many to have such "useless" scribbling removed from the dial. 

Many watch lovers feel that putting too many, especially unnecessary, wordings clutter and spoil the dial.  It is rather gimmicky and best left to the "pop" brands.  Certainly, the owner of the watch does not have to be reminded that he is wearing an "automatic", so it would be better to remove it and have a cleaner dial. 

Just my 2 yens worth.



Re: Re: Why did indication of AUTOMATIC disappear?
02/01/2008 - 05:22

I agree with you on that, Kazumi.

Its redundant and distracting.

I think the only time something like that would be justified, if it were a chronometre and that could be added discretely with the "Vacheron-Constantin" label.



Re: Re: Re: Why did indication of AUTOMATIC disappear?
02/01/2008 - 07:30

Thank you Kazumi & JB.

It is just that I think whether there is any meaning, and it contributed me from 1950's that the indication which I continued following disappeared. It was my simple doubt.....

Thanks for the valuable info

Copying Patek, I fear.
02/01/2008 - 08:33

Vacheron has a long and respectable tradition of labeling its automatic watches "automatic." So does virtually every other watch company, whether high or low end (alternatively using terms like "perpetual" and "Sax-O-Mat"), except . . . Patek. For some reason, they have never labelled their automatic watches. (I wish they would; I like the label both aesthetically and for the information it imparts.) I fear that Vacheron has decided to turn its back on its own history in order to be more like Patek. Here, imitation is an extremely sincere form of flattery: I think it shows Vacheron remains intimidated by Patek. Not intimidated enough to get their act together and start making a variable-inertia balance, but enough that it's clear that Vacheron knows who is boss. It's a pity (and just my opinion, of course).

Re: Copying Patek, I fear.
02/01/2008 - 15:39

"I fear that Vacheron has decided to turn its back on its own history in order to be more like Patek"

An interesting angle you have there but I think we're giving Patek undue credit here.

It is true that VC has strayed away from their usual practice, but is it really in order to be more like Patek or is it to please a growing number of collectors who have voiced out (in the Lounge and in other fora as well) their dislike towards putting references to the obvious on the dials.  If you scroll down a little, you will see VC fans praising the PT Malte chrono but wishing the word "chronographe" and particularly "PT 950" were left out.

Although my opinion may be biased, I think VC was just smart to enough to listen to its customers.  The result may have made VC's watch more like a Patek in that single aspect, but the driving factor is not wanting to be like Patek (I think there are other brands without such inscriptions), but more of listening to its fans and becoming a better VC in their eyes in the process.  

Just my opinion though.  Cheers.

my thoughts, exactly (nt)
02/02/2008 - 01:35

here's vintage VC from the 50s with cal 477 without
02/02/2008 - 10:20

"automatic" on the dial. I don't know if today they are trying to copy PP by taking the "automatic" off the dial but there also is a precedent in VC automatics without the explaining wording.

I think it is because,
02/01/2008 - 19:17

we have been complaining for years,

firts at ThePuristS and then here, at Hour Lounge,

that it is just stupid to write that information.

It's like some cars with GTI 6V TDI etc etc.

The dial becomes more beautiful the less there is written on it,

in most VC aficionados eyes


it was a general complaint comming from many and VC finally heeded and
02/01/2008 - 23:48

accepted that the purity of the dial was infact altered due to the "automatic" on the dial and took it off. In the future we are bound to see less and less unecessary inscriptions on the dial of VC watches.

The cleaner the better. When lloking at a dial I
02/02/2008 - 00:00

want to see a clean look and appreciate the dial finish with or without guiloche, the minute and hour markers, and the hands. Minimizing any distracting printing, unless it has a function such as a perpetual.


Entirely agree.
02/02/2008 - 18:15

The dial should be simple and beautiful. I am much more of an understated kind of person when it comes to watch dials. A reason I was never into sports watches for example, whose dials are sometimes just too much....

Thank you!!! (nt)
02/02/2008 - 00:30


PT 950 is a sign,
02/02/2008 - 00:59

that also most aficionados want to get rid off,

on the dial.

It is just spoiling the beautiful cölean dial,

and also spoils the understatement of wearing a platinum watch

Think of this watch, with PT 950,

the only place it's possible to see  that it's platinum watch,

is inside the and even there it's descreet.

They had a more sofisticated attitude in 1931,

than in 2008 !

Both the customers, who surprisingly wants it,  and VC



Re: PT 950 is a sign,
02/02/2008 - 01:39

Does this mean that you think Patek's little diamond is gauche? Best, Miki

hey Miki,
02/02/2008 - 01:49

..maybe I'm a little bit bling, but I do like Patek's little diamond, where it's hard to see it... call it "discrete bling"

Re: hey Miki,
02/02/2008 - 03:48

Yea, me too! Best, Miki

Hard question,
02/02/2008 - 11:53

It's borderline, or what do you self think ?

I any way think it's 100 times better,

than showing a big hole in the dial,

just to let everyone know you got a tourbillon !

Auotmatic is nada, compared to the new habit of destroying dials,

by making holes in them

Damned good question Miki (as always)


while I am not a fan of unnecessary writing...
02/02/2008 - 01:47

...such as the PT950, I think sometimes too much is being made out of it on the HL (not just you, Doc)...

IMO, I think it is quite discrete - it's not in the middle of the dial, only on the side, and most importantly it is in the same color as the dial, so it doesn't stick out (it's not like it's written in red). I think for someone to notice it, he has to take a VERY good look at the watch, from very close. So I think that the discrete element of the platinum remains with VC's Excellence Platine collection.

At the end of the day, to each his own... Like I said I also would prefer the PT950 not to be there, but I really don't mind it. Same for the "Chronograph" on the beautiful chrono... It would never make me think twice about buying such a piece. I really think coming out with the Excellence Platine collection has been one of VC's best moves in the last few years, and I love it to bits!

Re: while I am not a fan of unnecessary writing...
02/02/2008 - 05:40

Well, there's always something like the Breguet "secret signature" which is very discrete and quite a nice touch too; barely visible, even if you know it's there.



I'm with you,
02/02/2008 - 18:48

PT 950 is barely visible, that's right,

but if (when) I buy the PT chrongraph,

I would like to order it without,

because, as you say, it's only you,

the owner who can read it,

and of that reason I would prefer it without.

The chronograph text on that specific watch.,

is one of the exceptions from the rule,

because it balances the dial

My post was more general,

especially for watches with many functions,

hands or text, Rolex have some,

with text like on the backside of a pocket book !

Just to much,

but it's quite rough anyhow

I really could think of having one on my new boat,

that I bought last week !

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02/03/2008 - 14:19

congrats Doc!

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02/03/2008 - 18:46

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